Presbyteries in the Presbyterian Church (USA) have begun voting on the eight amendments sent down by the 221st General Assembly. While The Layman Online and other web sites are “tracking” the voting on the proposed redefinition of marriage (Amendment 14-F), some people are simply asking, “How would you vote on the rest of them?”
So, if I had a vote, here’s how I’d mark my ballot:
How I would vote on 2014 PCUSA amendments
My rationale?
Amendment 14-1 proposes amending the Book of Confessions by adding the Confession of Belhar. If you’re thinking we’ve been there and debated that, you’d be right. This same proposed amendment failed to achieve the 2/3 threshold in the last cycle of presbytery voting following the 2012 General Assembly. But the former Stated Clerk of the PCUSA, Clifton Kirkpatrick, is determined to see the Belhar in the PCUSA’s Book of Confessions.
The arguments against this amendment have been well articulated and I would vote against it:
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Carmen,
The top dogs in the pcusa could care less what you say or do because they are reprobates as Paul would teach in Romans 1. I can appreciate what you have written, but those misguided fools are delusional in need of a Savior, that is Christ the Lord.
I keep thinking about the idea of opportunity cost: If you devote resources to one thing, you can’t devote them to another. As a conservative elder in a denomination that has abandoned much of what you believe, you could devote your time and energy to going to presbytery meetings and making sure the stated clerk formally notes your dissenting votes on these issues, as Carmen recommends. Or you could refocus your time and energy in a different denomination that has not abandoned its obedience to God’s Word. Staying and fighting in a losing cause in PCUSA carries a heavy opportunity cost indeed.
Re: Amendment 14 -A, I agree with all of Carmen’s statements except her vote. This proposal is unenforceable. It not only does not allow for true any chance of rehabilitation, which is contrary to the Gospel, but more importantly is a boon to the Trial Lawyers.
Note that the Amendment applies to all positions in the Church whether paid staff or volunteer. Being impossible to enforce places the individual Church totally vulnerable when a person who had renounced jurisdiction under these circumstances, becomes involved with a Church in some other area of the country and then proceeds to commit some criminal act. Since the Church has a policy against allowing such a person to be even a volunteer but does not enforce it (one cannot run background checks on every volunteer), the way will be clear to assert negligence on the part of the Church for failing to enforce its own policies.
I am sure that this will be adopted given its emotional appeal, however, it will accomplish no good and has the potential to create great harm.
I would vote no on all of it and leave such a bloated institution….oh wait, I did! And I couldn’t be more happy in my Christ centered non book of order church. The heart and mind do not have room for both the Gospel and the institution.
Choose you this day whom you will serve…just sayin.
Most of your comments seem reasonable and predictable, but your opposition to Amendment 14-E shows an almost shocking lack of understanding for the truest and oldest form of Evangelism – which is that it begins with respectful and vulnerable dialog. You need to go no further than the Apostle Paul’s methods and famous speech in Athens congratulating the Athenians for their religious ardor by which he introduced Jesus Christ to pluralist society.
Further, to be imitators of Christ means to empty ourselves of our own power and to become vulnerable enough to incarnate into the language and culture of those to whom we wish to bring the Good News of the God’s Kingdom. Pouring out does not mean watering down, but it does mean getting off our high and mighty pedestals and engaging in open and vulnerable dialog with everyone, friends and enemies alike.
But you are not alone. Your lack of understanding of Evangelism is at the heart of the shrinking Church.
So Christ is not big enough to redeem the PCUSA? Hmmm. I agree it has many problems, and I don’t agree with its direction. But Christ does not call us to hunker down with other believers in Christian hovels… no… He does precisely the opposite. To be Christlike is to hang with sinners and “spur one another toward love and good deeds” in the words of Paul. This is why I stay. I choose to make disciples of all men… starting right here.
Not at all… unless you believe the Holy Spirit is powerless. I attend a large vibrant theologically conservative PCUSA church that spends its time ministering to the community and the world. We are the arms of Christ, bringing new believers into the fold and discipling people in the faith. There is nothing the denomination is doing or has done that prohibits us from doing God’s evangelical work in our world. Its simply a choice we make. God can redeem anything and we are the hands He has chosen to build His Kingdom. If everyone in our church bailed because of denominational stuff, there would be a huge ministry hole in our community. Would that be the will of God? I don’t think so.
“Pluralism” and “diversity” and “multiculturalism” are part of the secular culture’s mantras today. If Christians will not share the Gospel with others (regardless of what the culture classifies them to be) then we are disobedient to Christ’s commission for us. We either believe that Christ IS the Way or we do not. How can it be insensitive or politically incorrect to tell someone about a grace-filled life and an eternity with God in heaven? What could be wrong about telling someone the Good News that God through Christ will absolve them of their sins and allow them to be with God forever? Why should the greatest revelation to mankind ever (that one cannot earn their way to eternal bliss – one can only accept God’s grace as THE way to eternal bliss) be kept a secret or not communicated at every opportunity? The time is short for both believers and non-believers to act; in terms of eternity, human life is just like the blink of an eye. Just hoping that others can discern God’s glory being reflected in our lives is not a sufficient strategy for extending the Kingdom.