Thanks for the call. It was my first time on and I found it informative. I am afraid I am in a 60/40 or 50/50 church so I will take your advice and leave quietly. Please keep me and my family in your prayers as we transition. Change is hard!
To RBN. I understand that change seems hard. We left our church to go to a church in ECO. We did have a group that left at the same time. Here is the wonderful part…. If you go to a Bible believing church I believe you will be with people who believe like you do, talk about all those things you care about, study the Bible the way you love. WOW!! After you “find your way” in the new Bible believing church I believe I God bring you His best friends. And you know what else…I wonder…with great excitement of this possibility…is God moving us out to minister to others in a more powerful….is God moving us out to get us ready for being with Him eternally? We are all like Abraham…just obeying God, not knowing where He is taking….but knowing we are in His will. How good is that!!!
I listened to the recording of Carmen’s remarks, and was particularly interested in the part about the “60-40” or “50-50” congregations. I left PCUSA 9 years ago, but still have close connections to one such congregation. No doubt some of its members were dismayed to learn their associate pastor voted for 14-F (the senior pastor was out of town at the time of the vote). If they bothered to ask her, that is; she has not voluntarily revealed her vote. But so far, I haven’t seen any fallout. The impression I get is that most members are apathetic about the whole thing. They came to church the Sunday after 14-F passed; nothing looked or felt different; so they figuratively shrugged their shoulders and took their normal place in the pews. Perhaps their attitude will change if the associate actually officiates at a same-sex wedding in the sanctuary; or if the senior pastor leaves and presbytery vetoes the congregation’s choice for his successor — perhaps then they would be roused from their indifference. But until then, it is a congregation of 600, probably half of whom object to 14-F (or would, if they knew about it) which nevertheless has felt not much more than a ripple as a result of their church leaders redefining marriage in contravention with Scripture. I wonder how many other congregations are in a similar state of lethargy. Perhaps quite a few, which is why I suspect the membership decline over the next couple of years may not be as big as some think it will be.
50/50 60/40, we who are Bible believing conservative lose, since the church will remain accepting GA’s edicts. Time to start new churches replacing the apostate churches.
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Thanks for the call. It was my first time on and I found it informative. I am afraid I am in a 60/40 or 50/50 church so I will take your advice and leave quietly. Please keep me and my family in your prayers as we transition. Change is hard!
To RBN. I understand that change seems hard. We left our church to go to a church in ECO. We did have a group that left at the same time. Here is the wonderful part…. If you go to a Bible believing church I believe you will be with people who believe like you do, talk about all those things you care about, study the Bible the way you love. WOW!! After you “find your way” in the new Bible believing church I believe I God bring you His best friends. And you know what else…I wonder…with great excitement of this possibility…is God moving us out to minister to others in a more powerful….is God moving us out to get us ready for being with Him eternally? We are all like Abraham…just obeying God, not knowing where He is taking….but knowing we are in His will. How good is that!!!
I listened to the recording of Carmen’s remarks, and was particularly interested in the part about the “60-40” or “50-50” congregations. I left PCUSA 9 years ago, but still have close connections to one such congregation. No doubt some of its members were dismayed to learn their associate pastor voted for 14-F (the senior pastor was out of town at the time of the vote). If they bothered to ask her, that is; she has not voluntarily revealed her vote. But so far, I haven’t seen any fallout. The impression I get is that most members are apathetic about the whole thing. They came to church the Sunday after 14-F passed; nothing looked or felt different; so they figuratively shrugged their shoulders and took their normal place in the pews. Perhaps their attitude will change if the associate actually officiates at a same-sex wedding in the sanctuary; or if the senior pastor leaves and presbytery vetoes the congregation’s choice for his successor — perhaps then they would be roused from their indifference. But until then, it is a congregation of 600, probably half of whom object to 14-F (or would, if they knew about it) which nevertheless has felt not much more than a ripple as a result of their church leaders redefining marriage in contravention with Scripture. I wonder how many other congregations are in a similar state of lethargy. Perhaps quite a few, which is why I suspect the membership decline over the next couple of years may not be as big as some think it will be.
50/50 60/40, we who are Bible believing conservative lose, since the church will remain accepting GA’s edicts. Time to start new churches replacing the apostate churches.