June 2004 letters to the editor Archives of letters to the editor

Babbling in political tongues June 30, 2004 Just before midnight on June 1, 2001, a Palestinian suicide bomber strolled into a crowd of youngsters cued up outside Tel Aviv's hottest nightclub, the Dolphinarium, located on the seafront promenade about a mile north of the ancient port of Joppa. The terrorist then blew himself up, killing 21 kids; the youngest victims (four of them) were 15 years old, the oldest was 25. The Nelimov family, recent immigrants from Russia, lost two daughters: Yulia age 16 and her older sister Yelena who was 18. The Dolphin nightclub attack was only one of 1,798 terrorist incidents in Israel perpetrated that year by groups associated with Yasir Arafat's Palestinian Authority. In 2002 and 2003, Palestinian terrorists undertook 1,776 and 1,742 attacks, respectively, with 504 recorded through the first of June for this year. Terrorists use three basic methods: suicide car bombs, individual suicide bombers detonating explosive belts, and suicide hit squads firing automatic pistols and tossing grenades. The total number of attacks comes to 5,280 over the past four years, resulting in over 700 Israelis killed, along with innocent Palestinians and others caught in the crossfire. In the last week of June 2004, the Presbyterian Church (USA), an ultra-liberal remnant of a once great Protestant denomination, meeting in its annual General Assembly in Richmond, Va., passed Overture 04-32 submitted by the Presbytery of St. Augustine. This overture condemns Israel for acting in response to the 5,280 or more terrorist attacks unleashed by Arafat's murderous cronies. The overture cites Israel for its "occupation" of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan heights, areas before the 1967 war manned by the armies of Jordan, Egypt and Syria whose presence constantly threatened Israel. Among the PCUSA's political pronouncements, the radical religious left's equivalent of speaking in tongues, is an overture that condemns Israel for killing "several thousands of Palestinians" in response to "hundreds" of Israelis killed by suicide bombers. While no substantiation is offered for the "several thousands" of Palestinians purportedly killed by Israelis, the fact is that on 5,280 occasions over the past four years terrorists operating from the West Bank, Gaza and the Bekka Valley have carried out attacks on Israel, killing hundreds of innocent people. Israel's response has been to target terrorist leaders and to erect a barrier through East Jerusalem to prevent suicide bombers from infiltrating at will. Fact is, targeting killings (dubbed "assassinations" by liberal Presbyterians) work. There have been no suicide bombings in Israel in the last four months. As for targeted killings, due to Israeli initiatives, the hunters are now the hunted. Targeted killings go after the Hamas, Hezbollah, al Fatah and al Aqsa Martyr's Brigade leaders who plan the attacks. Israelis know that once the suicide bomber self-detonates, he (or she) is out of the equation. The idea is to prevent attacks by killing the leaders and destroying the group infrastructure: the planners, the bomb makers and the people who recruit bombers. In the last six months, over 400 people associated with suicide bombing have been arrested and incarcerated, along with those few "terminated with extreme prejudice." While interesting in the context of the culture war, the Presbyterian overture on Israel is de rigueur for what is fast becoming the poster child denomination for radically liberal Protestantism. In addition to condemning Israel, commissioners also confessed corporate guilt for the abuses allegedly committed by a handful of military police at Abu Ghraib, lifted most proscriptions against homosexual ordination, reaffirmed support for all forms of abortion, and declined to support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibiting gay marriage. Is it any wonder the PCUSA lost 40,000 members last year? At its current rate of decline, averaging one member every 11 minutes, the denomination will be extinct by 2039. The radical liberals who dominate the PCUSA seem unaware that most American Christians support the armed forces, believe homosexual behavior is sinful, think killing babies in the womb is morally despicable and believe marriage, other than between a man and a woman, is physically impossible, morally reprehensible and should be illegal. It was not always this way with Presbyterians. Many of America's founders were Calvinists who modeled the federal system on denominational polity and wrote the U.S. Constitution based on governing church documents. So, how have liberal Presbyterians come to their current religious and political irrelevancy? The answer is an obsession with political correctness in the era of post-modern Christianity. In the mid-1960s, when liberals took control of the PCUSA, they quickly abandoned definitive truth by declaring that the Bible, rather than being the Word of God, merely "contains" the word of God along with stories, myths and some suggestions which, if followed, offered blessed assurance that "I'm okay and you're okay." From there, it was a short jog to the promised land of moral relativism. Accordingly, the Presbyterian Church plunged into irrelevance. Nevertheless, even as the denomination founders, the governing body babbles in political tongues on vital topics like Israeli security. Don't listen. Earl H. Tilford, Jr. Grove City College Grove City, Pa. Oft-repeated claim that those who leave the PCUSA abandon the faith June 30, 2004 I am responding to the often-made claim that the people who leave the PCUSA leave Christianity or at least the organized Church (Ekklesia). I do not know what the source of this data is. In our church, First Presbyterian Church of Royal Oak, they never do an exit interview. Any letter written to explain the reasons that the person is leaving is not even forwarded to the Session. I think the moderator decides what they see. All the people I know that left (there have been many) left to go to churches that believe that the Bible is the inerrant, inspired Word of God and not the socially acceptable, politically correct, multiple choice interpretation book that seems to be the predominant view of the Bible in the Presbytery of Detroit and some other presbyteries. It is interesting that the official Presbyterian magazine never publishes anything that is opposed to the liberal viewpoint. In communist and other totalitarian organizations, this is called censorship. In the , this is accepted in Louisville as the way to maintain "unity". Doug Hepner Overpopulation? June 30, 2004 I wish we had the problem of overpopulation in the Presbyterian church. The world may be overpopulated now, but it is not by Presbyterians. David Hankins Earl Tilford's letter of June 28 June 30, 2004 I, for one, will be happy to color Earl H Tilford, Jr., Ph.D "gone." Dr. Tilford's letter of the 28th casts the atrocities committed at Abu Ghraib Prison in Baghdad as "alleged mistreatment." Apparently, the photographic record isn't enough evidence for him. Or perhaps he thinks that attaching electrodes to a prisoner's genitals doesn't qualify as mistreatment. Or maybe Dr. Tilford considers forcing the prisoners to pose in sexually explicit positions or sodomizing them with chemical light sticks just good, plain, American fun. Unlikely, given his well-documented distaste in this and other venues for all things homosexual. Dr. Tilford would have us believe that distance somehow absolves him and us from responsibility for actions taken by our soldiers in our name. He says he and we are not responsible because we weren't there. As more and more details of the prisoner abuse emerge, it becomes more and more apparent that these barbarous acts were, if not explicitly condoned at high levels of the administration, they were at least winked at. Mr. Lou S. Nowasielski, writing on the same date, at least calls the barbaric acts "tortures," but implies in an astonishing leap of illogic that the killings in Munich over 30 years ago, the hostage-taking in Iran over 20 years ago, the downing of Pan Am Flight 103, and other bombings including the World Trade Center, all somehow combine to justify the shameful acts by our soldiers. He then quotes several verses from the Qur'an with which he paints all the prisoners as radical Muslims who deserve such treatment. Any American should be outraged. Any Christian should be appalled. Is this the freedom that we have promised the Iraqis? Is this the shining example of democracy that we wish to hold up? On the face of it, it would appear as if the Iraqi people have merely traded one cruel tyrant for another. I've only one question for Dr. Tilford. Given that you are so obviously unhappy in the PC(USA), why wait for the action of General Assembly? Just go Dan Mertz .Milroy, Pa. Gays in leadership positions 'is a conspiracy' June 30, 2004 I believe that this whole business about gays being included in leadership positions in the church is a conspiracy. Their aim is not only to be included, but also to destroy a 2,000 year-old Body of Christ. It appears that they now have their foot in the door. Once in the door, the fox now has control of the hen house. The church, which includes us Presbyterians, will split into factions, thus destroying the church as a whole. We already have More Light Presbyterians and those who represent Confessing Churches. Already, our church in Florida has split. Our minister has been asked to resign. This is only the beginning.God help us. Bill Marsh First Presbyterian Church Bradenton, Fla. Does G.A. theme apply to little souls in the womb? June 30, 2004 The theme of this year's General Assembly is "That all may have life in fullness." I wonder if this applies to the little soul in its mother's womb? John Cowan Cartersville, Ga. Seriously thinking of leaving the denomination June 30, 2004 The denomination is going to you-know-where in a handbag. Do you know of any good Confessing Churches or Evangelical Presbyterian Churches in the Detroit metro area? I live in Royal Oak, and the Detroit Presbytery is so liberal that we're seriously thinking of leaving the denomination. Liz Gardiner, Elder First Presbyterian Church Royal Oak, Mich. Where are we heading? June 30, 2004 Whoever let this person or anyone like him be the keynote speaker at any Presbyterian meeting, much less the General Assembly? Where are we heading? Paul Hyder About the election of the moderator June 30, 2004 As a Presbyterian missionary in Tijuana, with several years of experience working on the U.S./Mexico border, I read with interest about the selection of your denomination's new moderator and his interest in Mexico. I have witnessed how Borderlinks and Frontera de Cristo, two perverted Presbyterian Church (USA)-related organizations on our country's southern border, have wrought theological havoc on Mexico's Presbyterian church. These two radical leftist groups have done much to damage the theological integrity of the National Presbyterian Church of Mexico by enticing a considerable number of Mexican pastors to abandon their sound Calvinist teaching in favor of a simplistic, politically motivated, far-left social gospel that blames the United States Border Patrol for all of Mexico's problems. Even so, there are those of us on both sides of the U.S./Mexican border who are working to preserve the authentic Calvinist theology of the Mexican church, and to heal her of the effects of the theological anthrax with which your denomination has poisoned her. We orthodox Calvinists, Americans and Mexicans, will continue to preach justification by grace through faith, rather than liberation by revolution, and the forces of Biblical truth will triumph over Satanic apostasy and error. May God save the National Presbyterian Church of Mexico from the house of theological prostitution that is the Presbyterian Church (USA). I have every confidence that He will. Rev. Bradley Arakelian Presbyterian Church in America Del Mar, Calif. 'I'll wait and see' about the new moderator June 30, 2004 I'll wait and see. However, there is no way that one's subjectivity will ever be so repressed that it will not affect the transparency of one's decisions, guidance and message. The verbal message of this election is that those elected as delegates are either brainwashed by the "insight" of church "leaders" and their "theological insights," or they are representing a true change in the theological basis of our Book of Confession/Book of Order. As for the "no sin" speaker, what would one expect from an author who has adopted such a lifestyle? Maybe one needs to revisit Menninger's What's Become of Sin? In reading the responses of Andrews and Kirkpatrick, I was immediately taken by the rationalizing of loss of power by the usage of the word "saddened." I personally doubt the authenticity with which most of us would identify with that use of a word. Rather, "surprised," "challenged," "awakened," might be better words to describe what might have been their response. Why? Because they thought they were above the Book of Order, which all who affirm the PCUSA as being our collective rules of engagement. When such "stellar" members of our great church public display a "lukewarm" faith while justifying the same as being "prophetic," I am no longer surprised with the ecclesiastical schizophrenic condition of our unity. The tide is coming in, not peacefully or with a sense of resolution and unity; rather, our great fellowship is once more being guided by such "elected" leaders and by the liberal voice of the church into a state of schism and "civil war." Out of the conflagration, may there be a resurrection of faith and leadership. Rev. Gilbert J. Fitzsimmons Congratulations to Ufford-Chase? June 30, 2004 Congratulations to Ufford/Chase for being voted moderator of the PCUSA's 216th G.A., but for him to say the following on gay ordination, which he supports, "It would not be appropriate for me to share my opinion," is politically correct and insubordinate since the Book of Order must be defended against those unfit for ministry. Will Ufford-Chase support the same as moderator, and will not Ufford-Chase do what he can behind the scenes to establish legal gay ordination? Did the assembly elect a gutless wonder, while rejecting a man of vision (McKechnie) who clearly understands the situation in the PCUSA? Even though Ufford-Chase is a 40-year-old does not mean he will attract young people to the PCUSA with his view on gay ordination. If anyone thought that would be the case, the results will dictate the same in the next G.A. God will not bless disobedience to His Word (the Holy Bible) because two wrongs do not make a right. Lou. S. Nowasielski Wilmington, Del. A fundamental question June 30, 2004 How can the denomination that is given credit for perfecting democratic principles allow a radical minority to force an extremist agenda on a proven majority? This question demands an answer. Douglas Anderson Goodbye to Andrews June 30, 2004 I will continue to pray for revelation to come to our befuddled leadership. Richard Scanlon Advocate forgot story of Sodom and Gomorrah June 30, 2004 The gay advocate who spoke before the General Assembly on the 28th of June seems to have forgotten the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Perhaps, God has similar plans for the PCUSA. Three other communities who advocated sexual promiscuity met the same fate: Admah, Zeboim and Zoar. It is possible that the Presbyterian Church (USA) will meet the same fate as these communities. I predict that the Confessing Churches will survive, and the Church of our fathers will be reborn. Bill Marsh, Elder Allentown, Pa. Gagnon is so correct June 30, 2004 I have read Dr. Gagnon's "Open Letter: Task Force report distorts unity/purity message of Ephesians," on Saturday, June 26, 2004. Dr. Gagnon's is one of the best theologians of our times, and what he has written is so correct. I believe that Christ wants His church to be pure, to stand on pure doctrine. I would hope that the PCUSA would stand with Dr. Gagnon, the Bible and Christ, and would join with the Methodist Church on standing on the Bible. Homosexuality, is not an OK style of life. It is not a life that the church can accept as the true teachings of the Bible, or any sound Christian doctrine, or theology. I would hope that we can say to Christ, here we are, we will follow you, in all pure doctrine, in your Holy Word, and in sound Christian doctrine. We need churches in this country and in the world that will be strong in their convictions, I would hope that we will! Don Whitbeck About the fair trade article June 30, 2004 As someone who made purchases in the Global Marketplace, I'm not exactly sure what The Layman means by putting quotes around anything that seems to be "PC" ("politically correct" or "Presbyterian Church," take your pick). Terms like free trade, justice, working in a sweatshop, fair wages, benefits and treatment were regularly put in quotes as though they were somehow being disingenuously used. I'm not quite sure what The Layman means by that action. Is it that The Layman disagrees with these aims? Is it that The Layman believes these aims are not fulfilled by taking these actions? Many in this church are looking for reasons not to take The Layman seriously. They look for reasons to call evangelicals heartless and cold, indifferent to the suffering and needs of others. If we are to have a voice in the church for orthodoxy, surely we must follow through with orthopraxy. Let's practice what we preach: Right beliefs produce right actions. Undermining the efforts of those who are attempting to legally bypass unfair economic conditions is far from right actions, and calls into question the integrity of our evangelical and Reformed belief system. Deacon Chris Larimer Holston Presbytery Louisville Presbyterian Theological Seminary Theological Task Force's selective hermeneutic June 29, 2004 The Theological Task Force on Peace, Unity, and Purity of the Presbyterian Church (USA) continues to demonstrate the real issue behind the current fissure in the denomination: a selective hermeneutic. Any truly Biblical revival and healing will only take place when the infallible, authoritative Word of God is proclaimed and followed in its fullness. In their selective exegesis of Ephesians, the members of the task force have demonstrated by their words and actions that they are willing to manipulate their exegesis of the Word in order to fit their foregone conclusions. I believe this is called eisegesis, and "Interpretation 101" teaches that this is a no-no. Instead, as Professor Gagnon so wonderfully demonstrates, a proper hermeneutic is one that looks to the author's clear (and full) intent first, after which we submit to the Holy Spirit as He shapes our lives around the Word, and not vice versa. Without such a hermeneutic, our teachings will be human-centered, and our preaching will be impotent. They will, therefore, lack authority. It can be said beyond the shadow of a doubt that where the Word is not faithfully exposited, the Lord does not speak. Dana Jon Smith Director of Christian Education and Youth Great Valley Presbyterian Church Malvern, Pa. Resolution at the 216th G.A. June 29, 2004 My heart is filled with sadness upon learning that the G.A. passed this resolution. One of two things has happened: The once proud and honorable Presbyterian Church has evolved into a humanist, secular gathering of liberal politicians; or Control of this church, with its proud history of good works and service, the centrality of the Gospel of Jesus Christ in our theology and our commitment to sound Biblical doctrine, has been taken over by a band of people who have been completely seduced by the Evil One. In either case, we are in need of intense prayer, inspiration from the Holy Spirit as to where we go from here, and most of all the courage to once again be people of God who are guided by His infallible Word and not by the ever-changing themes of contemporary culture. How have we let this sad state of affairs, in our church, come to be? Douglas Gates, Elder Palm Harbor, Fla. McKechnie defeated for moderator June 29, 2004 A tragedy! William V. Knight Elder Kirk of the Hills Presbyterian Churh Tulsa, Okla. Did the G.A. ever consider the positive aspects of our involvement in Iraq? June 29, 2004 Did the General Assembly ever consider the positive aspects of our involvement in Iraq? This awful country of America may just have opened another area of the world to the Word of God. It may seem very difficult to do that, but it was certainly impossible under Saddam. It is time for our church, as proponents of the left, to stop bashing our nation. I am proud to be American, and I am not going to let my church try to take that away from me. Shame on the 216th Assembly! David Hankins Apologies? June 29, 2004 On behalf of myself, I wish to be on record as exempting myself from any apology offered to Iraq for the treatment of a few prisoners by a few guards. As I am no longer a member of the Presbyterian Church (USA) (after more than 30 years as a member), no group of Presbyterians or anyone else is authorized to apologize for anything on my behalf. I am not apologetic, rather I am proud of the fact that America has rescued a nation being subjected to the barbarism of a Saddam Hussein. I am proud of the conduct of 130,000 Americans serving in Iraq who are helping the Iraqi people rebuild a nation destroyed by the greed and rapaciousness of his regime. I am proud of my president, who has the courage to pursue those terrorists who are killing and beheading innocent people. I am proud to be an American, a citizen of a nation that has asked nothing of the many peoples it has helped liberate in this century. And I am appalled that any group of people has the gall to presume to offer apologies to terrorists on my behalf. No wonder that the Presbyterian Church (USA) is rushing headlong to extinction when such people are leading it. Jack Kime Maryville, Ill. Be a winner! June 29, 2004 I am concerned that Clifton K. will win again by the old strategy of divide and conquer. Here is a counterattack strategy that might just defeat him: So far, we have a couple of good candidates opposing him, but whoever really wants to avert another tragedy at the ballot box will have to step aside and throw his support for the one candidate that stands the greatest chance of winning. There are excellent "regional" (for lack of a better term) candidates who espouse and practice the great doctrines of the Christian faith, but Clifton is a national candidate who also carries the approval and the clout of the GAC. Let's face it. Realistically, absolutely no "regional" candidate will win. No matter how good he may be, he will lose, purely and simply. The only way for anyone to defeat Clifton is to garner the votes of all "regional" candidates. The only way for this to happen is to have all the opposition candidates throw their support to the one candidate who stands a chance! This takes modesty, humility, sacrifice, eschewing his own hope for victory for the greater good, but it will work. You have a lot of work to do. I and well over a million Presbyterians are praying for you there in Richmond. Charles Kindred Only one issue at the General Assembly June 29, 2004 Unfortunately, whenever the General Assembly is meeting, I can only think of one thing: What will they do to embarrass this great church in the national press to make evangelism (church growth) even more difficult. Nothing gives a clearer picture of the disease (liberalism) that has infested the denomination than a look at the overtures. While many of them are housekeeping issues, most are ridiculous for different reasons. They should be unnecessary in a Christian church, or they represent extreme concepts that are foreign to the Christian ethic. Smokestack emissions are important to many, but it does not belong here. If Christians don't at least have some doubts about the value of human life, then what are we about? And are we obsessed with sexual perversion? In this dying and troubled denomination, there should only be one overture that anyone who cares about this denomination focuses on : 04-63 (On taking decisive action to recover from the decline in membership and development of ministry and mission.) This denomination has incredible resources and, with declining membership, we are not good stewards of God's blessings. Those that lust for power in the PCUSA do it to be able to use these incredible resources for their liberal purposes. Rule One of human behavior always applies – "It is always, always about money (even in a great church). Pray for this great church – only God's intervention will save it! Douglas Anderson About the new moderator June 29, 2004 Michael row the boat ashore! Kum by ya. If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, I'd hammer in the evening, all over this land. Earl Tilford Grove City, Pa. The new moderator and Jesus June 29, 2004 Score one for Satan. In the end, Jesus will have His way: obedience to His law fully enumerated in Genesis through Revelation. Sanctity of marriage between male and female for clergy and members alike must prevail to hold our church together. The new moderator's underlying beliefs have surfaced and, regardless of his diversion to mission, they will eventually harm his efforts. Merice Nelles, Elder La Jolla Presbyterian Church An invitation to prayer June 29, 2004 I implore all those who read this to join me in praying this simple prayer continuously as long as the General Assembly is in session, and to recruit everyone you know to pray it as well. Loren Golden Gracious Sovereign Lord God, We humbly ask that You pour Your Holy Spirit abundantly upon the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA). We ask that You would be with the commissioners to guide them to only make decisions that are Biblically sound and good and pleasing in your sight, and that they would not be swayed by the siren voices that seek to conform Your Church to the ways of this world. We humbly ask this in the name of the risen Lord and Savior of the Church, Jesus Christ, Amen Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue, if there is anything praiseworthy -- meditate on these things. Philippians 4.8 It is the Presbyterian Church (USA) which needs Jesus Christ June 28, 2004 Apperantly, the General Assembly Council has lost its collective mind. According to reports, they say, "In the final plenary of its three-day meeting in Richmond, the council voted on Thursday to ask the 216th General Assembly to approve a resolution acknowledging that 'we are inescapably part of the culture and offer our confession in repentance.'" The only way the true Church can believe that it is inescapably part of the culture is if it has become part of the culture in which it momentarily finds itself. That is, if our "leaders" believe that we human beings decide what is sin rather than accepting what God has said is sin, if our "leaders" believe that outright murder is no more than a matter of "choice," and if our "leaders" believe that Jesus is only one of many ways to God – and "oh, by the way, he wasn't really raised from the dead after all" – then if all that is true we have certainly become part of our current culture. But there is nothing "inescapable" about it at all. God has given us over to our sinful ways. This may be our last chance to embrace sin or to turn back to God before it's too late. Our "leaders" have forgotten – if they ever knew – that the Church of Jesus Christ on earth has no need of the Presbyterian Church (USA); it is the Presbyterian Church (USA) which needs Jesus Christ. It is possible for the tail to wag the lizard, but not forever; eventually the tail caught in the jaws of the predator will be cast off and a new tail grown. Let him who has ears hear, and him who has eyes see. Marantha! Jon F. Jones, pastor New Providence Presbyterian Church Salvisa, Ky. 'I will never admit to such a gospel-denying statement' June 28, 2004 For the 216th General Assembly to approve the resolution calling on Presbyterians to confess and repent of a crime and sin we have never committed against Iraqis is about as asinine as asking us, not 140 years after the last slave was set free, to confess and repent for abusing human beings not one of us ever could have possibly owned. This is just more of the same old "feel good" and "form without substance" liberal [hooey] that should be flushed down the toilet where it belongs. But really, that's not the danger in this resolution. The devil, as always, is in the details. Call it "the law of unintended consequences in action." The resolution calls us to acknowledge that "we are inescapably part of the culture." I will never admit to such a gospel-denying statement. The church is to be apart from culture. Over against culture. Once the General Assembly votes to agree that we are "inescapably part of the culture" then all that is part of the culture is inescapably part of us – including, among other things, the death-affirming practice of in utero infanticide (also called "a woman's choice"), and the unbiblical practices of those trapped (now voted to be "inescapably" so) in the death-style of homosexual practices. Yes, this seemingly innocent little phrase – "inescapably part of the culture" – opens the door of the church to the normalization of even more perverse, heretical and apostate abominations and normalizes them – perhaps without ever having to amend our constitution again – because we are unable to escape them. We voted it to be. So it must be. Of course, such a church that has voted to deny Christ and the power of his Holy Spirit to transform people would be apostate. So maybe, if the commissioners vote to approve this piece of drivel, they would only be affirming what is actually already so. After all, we've had three apostate General Assemblies in a row -- why not a fourth? (It's enough to make me reach for a fifth!) Oh that God's faithful people would finally find a backbone, say "Enough is enough," and rise up against the heretics, apostates and pagans who have insinuated themselves among us and drive them out. Rev. Bill Pawson Westminster Community Church Canton, Ohio A Confessing Church PCUSA is coming apart at the seams over stupid stuff June 28, 2004 Hear me clearly. I am a member of the Presbyterian Church(USA) and I do not confess to having any responsibility in the alleged mistreatment of suspected terrorists at Abu Ghraib Prison in Baghdad. Having had no part in this, I also am not repenting of any alleged mistreatment in which I did not participate … and given I was about 8,000 miles away at the time these alleged actions took place … could not have participated. The U.S. Army is taking care of this, and it doesn't need the help of a declining and dying mainline Protestant denomination which cannot decide basic theological issues like "is Jesus really the Son of God" or moral issues whether or not two people of the same sex can be married. Get real, General Assembly. This Church is coming apart at the seams over stupid stuff like this resolution not to mention the continuing saga of deciding whether or not we Presbyterians should bless sodomy. As a Presbyterian elder, hear me on this. If the 216th General Assembly passes a resolution that resembles the above document of "confession and repentance," or condemns Israel in any way for the very successful way in which it has handled the Hamas/Hezbollah war of terror (the so-called "Intifada") conducted on behalf of the terrorist Yasir Arafat and his Palestinian Authority, and if it acts in any way to rescind G6.0106b, call me "gone." Earl H. Tilford, Jr., Ph.D., elder East Main Presbyterian Church Grove City, Pa. There can be no unity in false teaching June 28, 2004 Professor Gagnon is absolutely correct. There can be no unity in false teaching or in false practice. To teach otherwise is to lead astray the children of God. It sounds to me as if some of our more eminent members are already so bent over by their attached mill stones they can't look up and see the Word of God. How hard it will be to swim in the deep blue sea when it is already impossible to walk upright on dry land! Jon F. Jones, pastor New Providence Presbyterian Church Salvisa, Ky. There is no inequality in Virginia law June 28, 2004 The three homosexual rights groups calling on the PCUSA to support the demand for same-sex marriage in Virginia are mistaken. There is no inequality of the law there. In Virginia, neither heterosexuals nor homosexuals are permitted to marry a person of the same sex. The law is applied without prejudice. Jack O'Brien Pittsburgh, Pa. If Kirkpatrick wins, more will leave PCUSA June 28, 2004 Pray that Satan loses the battle to reinstate the incumbent Stated Clerk of the Presbyterian Church (USA). If Satan wins this one, there will be egress unmatched by previous "dust shakers" who headed for EP and PCA shelters. Merice Nelles, elder La Jolla Presbyterian Church Priority of political over Christian agenda has gotten PCUSA into current mess June 28, 2004 Although Reverend Jeff Carter is undoubtedly a sincere Christian and pastor, he is naive in his politics. I take exception to his position on several issues. Gun control is a political issue. The unfettered right to possess a gun is guaranteed by the Second Amendment. It is not a debatable topic except by those to whom the constitutionally guaranteed rights mean nothing. Affirmative action is reverse racism, and in the end serves poorly those minorities who have been taught to believe that they cannot be successful unless someone else gives up their own right to equality of treatment. His belief that "a few laws and a few years are enough to root out the deeply entrenched sin of racism" is overwhelmingly refuted by the history of civil rights laws beginning more than 135 years ago. It is illogical and naive to think that somehow, magically, a few more laws on top of the hundreds in existence already and a few more years on top of the 135 that have passed will end racism. Reverend Hobart should stick to preaching the Gospel and leave politics, where he seems to have little practical experience, to others who do. It is his kind of thinking that has gotten the Presbyterian Church (USA) into the mess it is in now: priority of political over Christian agenda, increasingly leftist social orientation, and declining membership. Jack Kime Maryville, Ill. Replace those in power with followers of Jesus Christ June 28, 2004 Anyone who thought this committee was going to follow the Word of God in their reports had to be a dreamer. These people are only spewing the propoganda spread by the powers that be in Louisville. This is why we need to replace the stated clerk and all others in the chain of power with people who are following Jesus Christ and the Bible. Dean Murphy Wichita, Kan. General Assembly Council is out of touch of reality June 28, 2004 The brain trust within the PCUSA are now urging me, as a Presbyterian, to repent for the tortures in Iraq. Not me, and why should I? Look who is calling the kettle black. Did not the world witness the 1972 Munich massacring of Jewish athletics by Islamic Jihad? In 1979, was not the U.S. embassy in Tehran, Iran, taken over and 52 hostages held for more than a year, and released thanks to the election of Ronald W. Reagan? In 1983, was not the U.S. Marine barracks in Beruit, Lebanon blown up, killing 241 Marines? In 1988, Pam Am flight 103 was bombed, killing 270 people. In 1993 was the first bombing of the World Trade Center, and in 2001, the same was reduced to rubble, killing more than 3,000 Americans. In 1998, U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed, killing over 200 and 4000 injured. In 2000, the U.S.S. Cole, a Aegas Guided Missile Destroyer was bombed in Aden, Yemen. Who were the people responsible for these and other wanton murders of innocents, including the recent barbaric beheading of at least three innocent men? They were radical Muslims. Or is it America's fault? Oh, yes, maybe, the failure of the Crusades has started this all. And Presbyterians are being told to repent? Not me, I will not and never will, so get real. When you look at the history of Islam, born in violence (620, AD), and continues today, it is they (Muslims) who should repent, but that will not happen, because it is America's fault. We caused it as Americans. The General Assembly Council is out of touch of reality, and acting as useful idiots suggesting that I repent. Not on your life, since it is Islam that has declared war not only on America, but those who according to the Quran, Surat At-Taubah 9:29: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (Islam), until they are subdued." "I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." "The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of Hell. They are the vilest of all creatures." All found in the Quran. Does terror, subduing, beheading sound familiar? Must be America's fault, otherwise, none of this would happen. America is the cause of it all. I suppose the GAC, one day, will tell us the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima was murder, because it was America's fault for entering WWII deceptively. According to some in the GAC and PCUSA, America was, is and always will be, the problem to world peace, destroy America and peace will follow, correct GAC? Again, what is the purpose of the PCUSA? Lou. S. Nowasielski Wilmington, Del. name state For PCUSA to condemn Christian president is Anti-American June 28, 2004 I am appalled to read that the General Assembly Council has written such an anti-American document. What has happened to our church? Is there any wonder why the membership is shrinking by leaps and bounds? If this resolution passes, I can assure you that the membership will take another dive. The Iraq people today are free because of the courageous acts of our Christian president and the military forces who are bravely serving to ensure freedom for the people of Iraq. We have now, serving in the office of the presidency a man who is openly a Christian, a moral, good man; and for our church to openly condemn him is the most Anti-American act a church which is supposed to be founded on Christian principles can perform. I remember when it was said that the Communist Party would defeat our great country from within. It is looking more and more like there are forces within our revered Presbyterian Church body that would seek to undo not only the Great Republic that is the United States of America, but also the Presbyterian Church (USA). Ruth Ehlers Grand Junction, Colo. Shouldn't we be happy and be at peace through Jesus Christ? June 28, 2004 I find Earl H. Tilford Jr.'s letter remarkable in the implication that we should not feel good about ourselves through the sacrifice Christ made for us all. Perhaps he forgets what it is like to attend an Easter service where we celebrate the risen Christ. And each Sunday is really Easter. I just don't get it. How can one honestly believe that we shouldn't be happy and be at peace through Jesus Christ? It doesn't make sense. This is something that transcends everyone who is Christian whether they be evangelical, more to the right or on the left if we must use labels. It is of course another question of what one might call sin. But the simple truth is that through Christ Jesus we are all saved and should rejoice in that and be happy. Therefore you can't be sad. That is the message Mount Auburn teaches as do most churches in the PCUSA. I don't see that as a reason to recoil. But I expect at times the message is just too simple in this world where we like to make things too complicated. And this complicated world is not really that different from the Roman world where Christ gave us a better way. It's the message that endures, not our worldly ways. Thank God! Earl C. Apel, deacon Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church Cincinnati, Ohio It looks like the PCUSA supports abortions and partial-birth abortions June 28, 2004 I read the June '04 article in The Layman entitled "PCUSA helps sponsor abortion march" and was deeply offended that these women misrepresented my views on abortion by marching in this event and holding up the PCUSA banner. I know there are many people in our denomination who are pro-choice but I don't feel these women had the right to display our banner in the march. It looks like the PCUSA denomination supports abortions and partial-birth abortions! Would Jesus march in this event? Absolutely not! It was very upsetting for me to read about this. These women definitely don't support me and it makes me rethink my denomination choice. Thank you for publishing this information and I will try to keep involved in supporting those in our denomination who value God's children's precious lives! Susan Steward Topeka, Kan. What really matters is that we faithfully observe the tenets of our faith June 24, 2004 The statement of Rev. Andrews that "what really matters is the church, this human institution" provides insight into the deep divide of the church. She is right. The church is a human institution that God has used over the centuries to advance the ministry and mission of Christ. What does really matter is that we are faithful to our calling in faithfully observing the tenets of our faith. With her conclusion, what do we have to talk about? Woody Johnson Scottsdale, Ariz. Kirkpatrick has done a poor job of 'preserving and defending the constitution' June 24, 2004 My name is John van Genderen, an elder of Arcadia Presbyterian Church in Arcadia, Calif. Currently, I am serving as the church's clerk of session. I was also a San Gabriel Presbytery elder commissioner to the 214th General Assembly. I have been following the events and developments in the PCUSA for the last five to ten years hoping to see a positive change in direction of our beloved denomination, but to no avail so far. The 216th G.A. is the last annual national leadership meeting for our denomination. It is not until 2006 that we will have another G.A. meeting. Therefore, this G.A. is an important event in the life of the PCUSA, and one of the more important items on its agenda that the commissioners have to decide is the election of the stated clerk. The G.A.'s stated clerk is the highest elected official in our denomination and, as such, this person sets the tone and direction of the organizational structure of the PCUSA. According to the Manual of the General Assembly the most important duty of the stated clerk is to preserve and defend the constitution (G2e). The stated clerk's actions and underlying motivations are important factors in determining the direction in which the PCUSA is moving, and which is then perceived by the denomination's members and the "outside world" as what our denomination stands for. In my opinion, the incumbent, Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick, has done a poor job, if any at all, in preserving and defending the constitution. I communicated my concerns in this area to the chair, Rev. Kathy Runyeon, of the Stated Clerk Review & Nomination Committee (SCRNC) in a letter dated 10-10-2003, supporting my concerns with specific references to Rev. Kirkpatrick's actions illustrating his failure to preserve and defend the constitution. I dare to assume that I was not the only one who wrote such a letter of concern. What was the SCRNC's response to my letter? There was none and, moreover, the committee ended up in recommending the incumbent again for another term. Why was there no response or even an attempt to communicate the committee's disagreement with the concerns mentioned? Were these concerns that irrelevant or invalid? Or did I not understand the role of the stated clerk? What does the Rev. Kirkpatrick have to say? It is obvious by his actions that he does not truly believe that preserving and defending the constitution is his most important duty, let alone equipping the people to understand and use the constitution properly. Under his administration, we have grown into a top-heavy institutional structure wanting to do the business of the church, especially at G.A.'s, instead of encouraging, nurturing and allowing the people (commissioners) to do the church's business. This observation, by the way, is based on my experience as an elder commissioner to the 214th G.A. I read Rev. Kirkpatrick's "Reflections on the 2003 PCUSA Statistics" in The Presbyterian Outlook issue of June 7, 2004. There is actually nothing new in his observations. The PCUSA continues to be a declining and divided denomination, with a number of growing churches among its family of churches. Rev. Kirkpatrick does have some suggestions for local churches to grow, but unfortunately he does not share with us what he, as stated clerk, would do on the national level to facilitate the uniting of a deeply divided PCUSA. Beginning to truly preserve and defend the constitution will be a good start, Rev. Kirkpatrick. This would include publicly urging, imploring and setting up measures to protect the constitution when it is attacked through defiance. As a result of the clerk's inaction in this area, we see that defiance is being tolerated and schism in the PCUSA is occurring. I believe that the above supports the opinion that the Rev. Kirkpatrick's continuing in this position is therefore not recommended for the well-being of the PCUSA. I would like to suggest to the commissioners of the 216th G.A. and other voting members the following: Do not just go by the recommendation of the SCRNC. Consider the important function of the stated clerk for the PCUSA's future. Evaluate the incumbent's record. Learn about the other candidates, and Then hopefully you will agree the PCUSA deserves a new stated clerk. Praying for all of you at the 216th G.A. May the Holy Spirit lead you to seek God's will. John van Genderen, elder Arcadia Presbyterian Church Arcadia, Calif. PCUSA is supposed to belong to Jesus Christ June 24, 2004 As we approach the General Assembly meeting in Richmond this Saturday, I have a hope in my heart that this year our commissioners will finally realize that the PCUSA is supposed to belong to Jesus Christ. I trust that they will make decisions based upon what "Jesus would do." I am also very hopeful that there will be a change of direction in our leadership, namely the election of a new stated clerk. I have found the current stated clerk to be very unresponsive to the grassroots of our church. I stated as much to the committee chaired by Rev. Kathy Runyeon to evaluate Rev. Kirkpatrick last fall. I raised a number of concerns about his lack of leadership. The only response that I received from this committee was a postcard to acknowledge receipt of my letter. When this committee recommended Kirkpatrick for yet another term, there was no mention of any dissatisfaction with his duties as stated clerk. I am positive that my letter was not the only one questioning another term for Kirkpatrick. For all of these reasons, I strongly urge Rev. Kirkpatrick to stand down as a candidate this year and to give leadership opportunities to another to move us past the decline we have been in for all the years of his leadership. If this doesn't happen, I call upon commissioners to the 216th G.A. to elect a brand new stated clerk to give our denomination a fresh start. I wholeheartedly endorse the Rev. Bob Davis, as does the session of Eastminster Presbyterian Church in Birmingham, Ala., for this very important position of stated clerk. For reference to my reasons, I include my letter to Rev. Runyeon. Rev. Richard C. Gates, D.Min. Pastor October 15, 2003 The Reverend Kathy Runyeon Presbytery of San Francisco 2024 Durant Avenue Berkeley, CA 94704 Dear Reverend Runyeon, This letter is in response to the current review process to evaluate the stated clerk's performance. I am writing on behalf of myself as moderator of the session of Eastminster Presbyterian Church, Birmingham, Alabama. In the eight years that Clifton Kirkpatrick has been in the position of stated clerk of the PCUSA we have experienced serious decline in both numbers and financial support. This is due in great part to the failure of the stated clerk to fulfill his duty to uphold our church constitution as described in G-6.0106b. The stated clerk has decided that this part of our constitution is not worthy of his support although this section of our Book of Order has been overwhelmingly affirmed three times by our presbyteries. During this time the stated clerk has pursued action against those pastors and churches who because of their conscience being captive to the Word of God, cannot continue paying per capita thereby supporting the ungodly actions of leaders who ignore both the Bible and our constitution. This defiant attitude of the stated clerk in regard to upholding our Book of Order has created unrest, disillusionment and discouragement in local churches throughout our beloved denomination. Our session has discussed the fact of the stated clerk not fulfilling his responsibilities and being unresponsive to pleas for corrective action with those pastors, elders, presbyteries and synods who continue to ignore the Book of Order regarding homosexual and gay marriage issues. In fact it seems that he is also supporting this defiance of our standards. Because of this the session of Eastminster Presbyterian Church approved the following in our January 6, 2003, meeting; "Approved delaying payment of the per capita assessment by setting the money aside in our own budget and notifying presbytery that we are investigating the complexities of the issue before making a decision" (whether to pay it or not). One of our "resting elders" came to speak to the session about his concerns over these issues. Being very close to tears, this devoted Christian Presbyterian lamented the utter disregard of clear Biblical standards that the stated clerk and General Assembly leadership has followed. He implored the session not to continue to send money to be misused by the GA to further their liberal agenda. To continue this present direction with the same leadership is unwise to say the least. Our PCUSA has wonderful potential if new leadership will take us in the right Biblical way. I implore you to not recommend Dr. Clifton Kirkpatrick for another four year term which would mean a continuation of the same distrust and feelings of being disenfranchised from local grass roots churches like Eastminster. Sincerely, Rev. Richard C. Gates, D.Min. If the egg is an essential first stage in the life of the eagle, why not in a human? June 24, 2004 I do not remember this point having been raised in the past. If it has, please pardon the repetition. It seems to me there is a major disconnect somewhere in the minds of those who call themselves "pro-choice." They deny that abortion is the taking of life, yet virtually everyone, including the federal government, agrees that destroying the egg of an eagle is punishable because the egg is an essential first stage in the life of the eagle and must be preserved. It appears to me that much of our society has gotten so far out of whack that they insist that destroying an eagle egg is as bad as destroying an eagle, yet somehow, destruction of a human egg – even a fully viable egg – is no big deal. Isn't this a truly sad state of affairs? Dick Underwood Urbana, Ill. Liberals can't 'hijack our denomination without our help' June 24, 2004 Having read my first Layman (June 2004), I was initially alarmed by the perfidy of the liberals, both in the Washington Office and throughout the denomination. I'm used to seeing such behavior played out in the culture, and was rather shocked to see it among so-called Presbyterians, of all people. I eventually concluded, and have set my mind to the belief, that: just as in the culture, there's more smoke than fire here; that there are more of us than there are of them; and that they're not about to hijack our denomination without our help. As any Protestant knows, we're always free to associate, disassociate and recongregate practically at will. The liberals will end up preaching to liberals and, if it's a power structure they want, they'll have to assemble it using their own bricks. Frank Sauer Indianapolis Praying the G.A. will limit contributions to ecumenical groups June 24, 2004 These contributions make me so angry that I have the impulse to join the thousands who are leaving the PCUSA. I won't because I support our outstanding pastor, Dr. James Farley. I pray that the General Assembly will at least severely limit this wayward money. Dick Warner, elder (not active) Woodlands Presbyterian Church Hot Springs Village, Ark. PCUSA leaders have ironic insights into low morale June 24, 2004 The report by John Adams (on www.layman.org) that staff morale is low due to budget cuts and recent layoffs is almost laughable. That's because PCUSA leaders are commenting with such ironic insights. 1. "I'd be curious to know how the budget cuts have affected people in terms of the climate within the building," says G.A. Moderator Susan Andrews. I'll bet it's still air conditioned "within the building." 2. "This has felt like the hardest, most difficult, most painful" budget-cutting move, said John Detterick, executive director of the General Assembly Council. "We're still dealing with that." Have you decided to cut the funding of the Taco Bell boycott? It won't be painful enough until you do that. 3. Detterick's deputy executive director, Kathy Lueckert, added, "We have a lot of frustration, anxiety and anger. We have some significant issues that will take a lot of time to work through. Hopefully, folks will be committed to work through the conflict and the bad feelings." Are you getting any kind of message? Could this be according to God's plan? 4. "As some of my colleagues have said, we're not going to wallow in it," Detterick said. "We've got to get our heads up and move forward. It's bad but, yes, we're ready to deal with that." Psalm 51: "My sacrifice is a contrite spirit." 5. Andrews said she asked about the staff morale "in the context of a stewardship challenge. It also has to do with what it means to be a Presbyterian. It is connected to the trust issue. We as Presbyterians have not understood our calling to be generous. There is a lot of concern in the churches and the presbyteries." She said the budget cutbacks "have been somewhat of a wake-up call." Presbyterian generosity should not presume others will cast pearls recklessly. That is the real wake-up call. 6. Stated Clerk Clifton Kirkpatrick said, "It's a difficult situation financially." But he declared that it gave the denomination the opportunity to work "creatively so that we might do something far better. We're in a new reality." It appears creativity is what is choking this church. The new reality is that the church is exactly where the recent revolutionaries have led it with a pro-abortion, pro-socialist, pro-political activism agenda. (The Washington Office is a prime example of working creatively.) 7. Furthermore, Kirkpatrick said, the PCUSA has the comfort of company – mostly other mainline liberal denominations allied with the PCUSA in the National Council of Churches and the World Council of Churches. "This is happening around the system," he said. Hallelujah! Does anyone else hear, "Our God Reigns," playing in the background of those remarks? 8. Hopefully, he (Kirkpatrick) added, there will be a "new energy for building the church. I think we've got a pastoral challenge." We do have a pastoral challenge. Exactly the reason we need to change leadership and direction. 9. Detterick, who will retire in 2006 as he announced before he began serving the first of two two-year terms, called the denomination's financial plight "a learning process and a building process." Now he's starting to get the message. How long is the process? Are we in the midst of wandering 40 years in the wilderness or is that the next step? Philip Pettus, elder Michillinda Presbyterian Church Pasadena, Calif. Not all evangelicals are politically conservative on all issues June 24, 2004 I have been meaning to write this for some time, but John Adams' article finally pushed me to do it. [It] is symptomatic of a larger problem I see in The Layman, and that has to do with wandering beyond what it purports to be its goals and purposes. I am an evangelical Presbyterian pastor. I pastor a Confessing Church and was instrumental in this becoming a Confessing Church. I have been involved with Presbyterians Pro-Life. I have put my name on the petition to support the Federal Marriage Amendment. I am also a pacifist, not out of any utopian vision of the goodness of humanity but out of obedience to Jesus Christ (and no, that is not why I went to seminary). Related to this, I also support gun control. I also don't think that affirmative action is always a bad thing, this due to my belief in the Reformed doctrine of total depravity which leads me to believe that a few laws and a few years are enough to root out the deeply entrenched sin of racism. I could go on, but my point is not that I want The Layman to reflect my views, but I do believe you are hurting your effectiveness if you assume that to be evangelical you must be politically conservative in all issues. I already don't feel at home with the liberal side of our denomination, but, more and more often, I am not feeling at home as I read The Layman. Please focus on what unites us evangelicals and leave the other issues to the IRD. Rev. Jeff Carter Hobart Presbyterian Church Hobart, Ind. Don't pick on organizations such as the WCC, NCC, CuiC and WARC June 24, 2004 Again, The Layman shows it wants not to be a part of God's church, but of a church that answers only to its self. It is most troubling, but not surprising, to read Craig Kibler's June 23, 2004 on-line article concerning the PCUSA's support for ecumenical groups and ecumenicalism as a concept. Mr. Kibler bemoans the contributions by the PCUSA to the World Counsel of Churches, the National Council of Churches, Churches Uniting in Christ and the World Alliance of Reformed Churches. He forsakes the concept that the Church of Christ should ever come together, rather he worries that he or the PCUSA might be a part of it when it does! Somehow Mr. Kibler finds a way to bring in the opposition by some of these organizations to the British and U.S. "coalition" in the war committed against Iraq and its people. Yes, these organizations have stood for Christian principles in this war, but to call what Mr. Bush has cobbled together a "coalition" is similar to referring to our upcoming General Assembly as a unified group! Further, there has been little if any debate at the "just war" nature of this war, and we should err on the side of reason and love. Please, if you're going to pick, and you are, don't pick on organizations such as the WCC, NCC, CuiC and WARC. Pick on someone with the equivalent power that the Lay Committee seeks to attain. David D. Duncan, elder Black Mountain Presbyterian Church Swannanoa, N.C. Low morale should be no surprise June 24, 2004 Why should low morale be a surprise among staffers in the PCUSA? Look what has happened since 1965. It could be worse, but until the PCUSA obeys Biblical authority from the top down, guess what will result? Declining membership, layoffs, low morale and a stated clerk who emphasizes the plight of those with low morale, while enjoying the benefits of being the stated clerk. Something can be done at this General Assembly – vote for those who believe in the Holy Bible, Biblical authority, the Great Commission (Matt. 28:18-20), Biblical leadership, evangelism, the life of the unborn and the Reformed faith. Lou. S. Nowasielski Wilmington, Del. PCUSA will make a comeback, but not with current leadership June 24, 2004 The budget cutbacks at the PCUSA are "somewhat of a wake-up call" and a "learning process?" Workers at the Worldwide Ministries Division are going through "post-traumatic stress" due to the downsizing? What did these folks think was going to happen? I feel very badly for the rank and file employees of the PCUSA. It is sad in these situations that the bottom rung has to be cut out instead of the top. The church is going to make a comeback, just like in a recession, but not with the current leadership. Is what we are going through in our denomination "somewhat of a wake-up call?" Is this what all of us are dealing with here? Denial or incompetence? David Hankins Ridgedale Church Commissioners' vote on stated clerk 'will rest upon their shoulders' for life June 22, 2004 I had the opportunity today to read the 35-page transcript of the debate between Davis, Howard and Metherell. Their spoken words only reaffirmed that any one of the three would be a great leader for our denomination. As the General Assembly commissioners prepare for their week in Richmond, I trust each commissioner is putting into their conscience that the vote they make for stated clerk will rest upon their shoulders for the remainder of their lives. I am hopeful that in exercising their freedom of conscience, the 542 General Assembly commissioners will elect a true leader who has the respect of members of this denomination. Either Alex, Bob or Rus has shown the type of demeanor that elicits respect from the membership. Our denomination cannot afford to continue with the present leader, who is the butt of many jokes. Larry Rued First Presbyterian Church Bradenton, Fla. The Layman should inform people and give them ideas on how to get involved June 22, 2004 My name is Ron Fike. I pastor the Auburn Presbyterian Church in Auburn, Kansas. We are a Confessing Church, and I appreciate the information that you provide in The Layman. Recently, however, two of my very active elders read your article about the pro-choice march in Washington and they were very disturbed by the information. I know that your reason for publishing this type of information is to inform us of the activities and the activism of those in our denomination who disregard Biblical and our historical positions on issues such as abortion. We need the information that you provide, and I thank you for continuing to educate us. But my two elders were not inspired to join in the struggle for the hearts and minds of our colleagues and friends within the PCUSA. The information has made them talk of leaving the PCUSA. That is not what I want them to do nor, do I believe, it is what you want them to do. I have talked with both of them and encouraged them to get involved. I have explained to them that you publish this information so that we will mobilize and engage in the struggle for the hearts and minds of the people in the PCUSA. In our discussions, one of them suggested that The Layman seems extremist at times because there is an abundance of information about what the opposition is doing, but not as much information explaining how we can get involved. So, I would offer as a suggestion, the idea of making a concerted effort to end each article or a number of articles with suggestions for how people can make a difference. Inform people, inspire them to action and give them ideas for how to get involved. Thank you for your ministry, and God bless you. Rev. Ron Fike Auburn Presbyterian Church Auburn, Kan. Liberal Protestantism, conservative Protestantism offer two different things June 22, 2004 I want to respond to the letter written by Earl Tilford about "Feel good about yourself Jesus" [posted June 21, 2004]. This strikes at the very heart of the difference between liberal Protestantism and conservative or traditional Protestantism. They are offering two completely different things. Liberal Protestantism offers affirmation; conservative Protestantism offers redemption. The difference is that affirmation says, "In spite of everything, you're okay." Redemption says, "In spite of everything, you can be a new creature and have a new life in Jesus Christ." Unfortunately for the liberals, the affirmation model provides less incentive to attend church or to give money. If you're okay regardless, why go to church? Why not spend the weekend at home, the country club, the adult bookstore, whatever? By now, studies have shown that evangelicals are more likely to actually show up for church, and they give more per capita. Unfortunately for the PCUSA, the affirmation model appears to be dominant. When your General Assembly opens up later this week, very likely a majority will be liberal. This is rather like a car dealer convention in which, even though Fords outsell Yugos, a majority of the delegates are Yugo dealers. Even though I'm in the EPC (and, by the way, we're not all charismatic, in response to something I read in the CCM chat room), I am keenly interested in the PCUSA being retaken by conservatives. If that were to happen, maybe donations to the NCC and the WCC would dry up. Maybe more money would be given to missions. Maybe the Washington Office would be closed. Perhaps some of you evangelicals will show up in Richmond a day early and spend some time together, fasting and praying. This is how I plan to spend this coming weekend. Rev. Dr. Larry Brown African Bible College Lilongwe, Malawi How does Layman cover show Jesus' teachings? June 22, 2004 As I understand God's Word to us and the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ, we are to love our enemies, forgive and to work at seeking peace, love and forgiveness in the world. How does the picture on the outside of the June issue of The Layman show that? Or, have I missed some other point? Adrian Andree Hamilton, Ohio Church should stand up for the symbols of Christianity June 22, 2004 I am outraged at the indifference of the people of Charlotte! I would hope that Christians all over the city (as well as in that particular church) would stand up for the symbols of Christianity. Obviously, money is the determining factor. There is a certain tolerance that is Christian, but there is also a discerning spirit we need to have, and be watchful of our heritage. We need to dialogue with Muslims, but be very clear on our own beliefs – we don't worship the same God. We worship the Father of Jesus. Carolyn Ziegler Belmont, Calif. PCUSA passed statement that we were not to evangelize or include Jews June 22, 2004 Concerning The Presbyterian Coalition's e-mail about G.A., "Big Issues to Watch:" How is it possible that not one reference was made to the attempt to inhibit the evangelization and inclusion of Jews by the PCUSA (Overture 04-68)? You can't be faithful to Christ and not work to prevent our exclusion. In 1987, the document "A Theological Understanding of the Relationship Between Christians and Jews" was approved for study. It has been treated as official policy ever since and has been used to prevent our denomination from including us by those who believe Jews don't need Jesus. The document implies there are two covenants, one for Jews and another for everyone else. Several years ago, I called Louisville and spoke to Doug Wilson from the office of Presbyterian Evangelism to ask what materials we had for Jewish evangelism and Jews already within the denomination. He insisted that the PCUSA had passed a statement that we were not to evangelize or include Jews and therefore we had no materials, nor would we in the future unless a G.A. made another ruling on the issue. I think he really did believe this. The document would never have passed in the first place if orthodox Christians had been paying attention to what was happening and done the right thing by challenging it. Here's a picture for you: It's the Second Coming and Jesus shows up at the entryway to the sanctuary of a Presbyterian church. The pastor stops preaching his/her sermon, his/her face turns an angry red and then he/she points a shaking finger at Jesus and screams, "Go to hell, Jesus, no Jews allowed." Please stop continuing to ignore this issue. Rev. Leslie Fox, member at large Presbytery of Seattle Only a few gathered to share the truth of the gospel at gay/lesbian event June 22, 2004 This past weekend in Syracuse, N.Y., the gay and lesbian community had their annual festivities. The gay and lesbian flag (rainbow) was raised at city hall and the annual parade and gathering was held. This is the third year that such activities have taken place. The only resistance and/or should I say witnessing at this event has been done by a small group of dedicated Christians. So far, not one pastor (Presbyterian or otherwise) from this area has joined in taking a stand against this grave injustice in our community. Although there have been no pastors or church leaders, I am proud to say that I was one of the few people who were there to bring the truth of the gospel to those held hostage in this lifestyle. I am writing this e-mail not to boast about our stance, but to draw attention to the lack of the leadership in regard to this issue in our community. I believe it's time for those who call themselves followers of Christ to come out from beyond the walls of the church and send a clear message to the gay and lesbian agenda. And that message is that homosexuality is an abomination and that God's Word is clear on this issue. Maybe if we had more people willing to take a stand on this issue at the street level, the church itself wouldn't be going through the struggles that it is facing at the higher (Presbyterian U.S.A.) level. Just wanted to let you know a little about our struggle here in the Syracuse area. There's much more to the story. Would you please keep us in your prayers as we face this struggle in our community? Pray that God will raise up more people of faith to help us in this struggle. Joe Traver, elder Syracuse, N.Y. Defending the Bible is only standing up for the truth and honoring it June 22, 2004 I want to thank Loren Golden for the recent letter [posted June 18, 2004]. It is one of the greatest examples of the truth in the Word I have ever heard. All of the points made were backed by Scripture. I have written less eloquent letters recently on the same subjects. My intention was not to attack Mr. Casson. His letter is very representative of the point of view held by many today. It is great that he had the courage and conviction to write to The Layman. I hope that any opinion I have or write about is backed by Scripture. We all have our prejudices, but it all comes down to what is in the Word. The term "self-righteous" is maybe the most difficult for us to deal with. I am not always right, but I do not like it when someone attempts to twist the truth contained in the Bible. We may argue or debate over which major league baseball team is the best, but we cannot debate the Bible when something is presented so clearly that anyone can understand it. If you have a belief contrary to the Word, it is because you do not like what it says. Trying to justify your position by twisting the meaning is ridiculous, and just because someone points that out does not mean that he or she relishes in the "victory." It is a sin to be arrogant about your knowledge of the Word. Defending the Bible is only standing up for the truth and honoring it. If I misinterpret the Bible, I would welcome being corrected by my Christian friends. Do not be deceived by the apparent tone of some of the letters to The Layman. They may appear angry, for instance when liberal positions are discussed. I want to be right, not self-righteous. Again, not for the sake of winning a debate. I want to know what is right even if it means overcoming my own ego. I know that deep down all of the writers to The Layman want to accomplish one thing -- to bring our denomination back from the brink. We are not so much angry as we are afraid. We do not hate the "other side." We write these letters to try to make them see the error of their ways. Is that not the Christian thing to do? Should we be silent and just let it go? That would not be smart or Christian. It would be more self-righteous to keep our silence. I think what really hurts many of us is that we have to do this in the first place. What is most shocking to us is the absolute rejection of Christian ideals. Maybe I am angry sometimes, but this is the denomination that taught us these values. We do not want to leave it and we just want it to go back to where it was. Many of us know the evil in the world today. When we see the PCUSA backing an abortion march, we just are in utter disbelief. The church is the absolute last place you would ever think to see that. My point is that our church used to be a place to go to avoid that. It is not any more, and some of us believe or worry that there will be a day when no place is free of it. Do not think that it is impossible today for Christians to be harmed for their beliefs. We are being killed for it all over the world. We are afraid that the day will come when it is illegal to be Christians. Do not think that is a paranoid notion. Canada is passing legislation to make speaking against gays a hate crime. Evil knows no boundary. We Christians believe that Satan would love nothing more than to kill us and wipe us off the earth. If you are not truly with God, you are on that side. That side knows no boundary. The side where God resides wants to convert sinners and correct wayward Christians. David Hankins Ridgedale Church If stated clerk can't see the problem, how can he fix it? June 21, 2004 What a farce is the reply of Cliff Kirkpatrick to the membership decline in the PCUSA. While his bullet points cannot be criticized, it's more important what the stated clerk left out than what he included: Nothing about theological waffling of this once-proud denomination. Nothing about political machinations of the Washington lobby, whose leader is a dreamy-eyed, far-left political activist, and the amazing damage this has caused. Nothing about status-quo career bureaucrats who have cut the heart out of denominational passion for Jesus Christ and replaced it with bland, tasteless luke-warmness to serve a one-size-fits-all deity who demands nothing from those he has created. Nothing about Kirkpatrick standing idly by and whistling while he works, as left-fringe so-called "pastors" and congregations defy definitive guidance and Biblical norms. Kirkpatrick's blindness is painful. He has presided over one of the largest declines in the history of any American denomination, but does he see it? Hardly. Job security seems the most important factor for Cliff. If he cannot correctly identify the problem, can he possibly lead the surgical team to repair it? I think not. It's time, Cliff. Do the graceful thing and resign. William J. Martin Northeast Presbyterian Church St. Petersburg, Fla. An open letter to the co-moderators of PARO June 21, 2004 I just received in my mail your letter addressed to Commissioners and Advisory Delegates to this year's General Assembly. I must say that of all the mail that I have received thus far advocating for various causes, yours is the absolute worst one that I have received. You didn't stop at simply stating your position and urging particular votes as some others I have received, but you also filled your letter with misinformation and attacks on the motives of your fellow Presbyterians. In the first place, I don't see the current position of our denomination as "moderately pro-choice" at all. Sadly, the position of our denomination is more extreme than that of our nation's elected leadership, which has sought to ban the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion. I wonder how many innocent unborn children have to die in the womb or partially delivered in order to constitute a position that might be considered "extreme" rather than "moderate." I find it deplorable that we hold a position (regardless of whether one calls it "moderate" or otherwise) that continues to result in the deaths of more than one million innocent unborn every year. The PCUSA has one of the most extremely pro-choice (pro-abortion) positions of all the denominations. Please don't lie to our commissioners by having them think that we are only "moderate." Secondly, I deeply resent the insinuation that those commissioners and other Presbyterians (not outside organizations) who will be at General Assembly and speaking passionately in defense of the innocent unborn are somehow motivated by "an ultraconservative political agenda" that is being driven by "outside organizations" intent on taking over this denomination. As a commissioner from Beaver-Butler Presbytery, a presbytery which has overtured the General Assembly on this issue, and knowing many of the presbyters in this presbytery who advocated for that overture, I can declare to you that we are not being driven by political agendas of outside organizations. Instead, we are driven by moral outrage over the callous attitude that many who call themselves Christians are taking towards the innocent unborn, whom God has formed in the womb. We are driven by a desire to respect and honor all of life that is a gift from God. If I have the opportunity to cast a vote for a pro-life position (hoping to make our denomination's position more "moderate"), I will do so out of a firm conviction that this is a moral, not a political issue, and that we as a denomination and a nation will have to give account for our actions toward the innocent unborn to our Creator. To suggest that my motives, and the motives of many other Presbyterians, are otherwise is to unfairly attack us, and it also shows your ignorance and own motivation. Time will not allow me at this point to investigate exactly where you get your funding, but if you are using denominational dollars (either mission or per capita) to fund this kind of misinformed and inflammatory correspondence to commissioners, I would urge you to cease and desist, and offer an apology. It is actions like yours, taken under the "umbrella" of our denominational headquarters and with denominational funds, which further erode what little trust and confidence in the denomination is left. Several years ago, the congregation that I serve ceased supporting the Unified Mission Budget, so if that's where you're getting your money, you certainly don't have my support, and others who may still be supporting that budget will be given added cause to further decrease their support. Although my congregation has continued to pay its per-capita assessment, the abuse of positions like yours simply adds more reason for people to reconsider the continued funding of a bureaucracy which allows this kind of thing. Rest assured, if this letter is any indication of the kind of people involved with PARO/PHEWA, I have no desire or intention to attend any of your events at G.A., nor do I think that we have anything in common to discuss, since you've already categorized me as a dupe of an outside political organization. Shame on you! Rev. Harper Brady Minister Commissioner Beaver-Butler Presbytery Pastor, Concord Presbyterian Church Baden, Pa. 'Feel good about yourself Jesus' is a figment of liberal theologians' imaginations June 21, 2004 Two weeks ago, I was in Jerusalem with a group of American college professors taking a one-day break from an intensive ten-day course on terrorism. We traveled, with armed escort, to the old city of Jerusalem for a day of sightseeing. At the end of our trip along the Via Delarosa, the route along which our Lord carried his cross to Golgotha, we found ourselves at the church that supposedly sits atop the site of the crucifixion. A large crucifix marks the spot where Christ died for our sins. At the foot of the cross is an altar over a stone; a rock that supposedly held the cross in place. Many of my colleagues, a group largely composed of Jewish professors, knelt beneath the altar to touch the stone. I did not, since I regard such behavior as idolatrous, but I did pray, thanking the Lord for his love and the sacrifice he made to provide me my only hope for salvation. I was particularly struck at the number of people who knelt before the crucifix at that holy place and prayed. One member of our group, a political science professor at a prominent eastern university and a recent convert to Christianity completing instruction to become a Roman Catholic, fell on his knees before the crucifix, crossed himself, then bowed his head to the floor, stretching his arms out in front of him. His body heaved as he sobbed, weeping from deep inside, as he poured out his love with the awful knowledge that he was personally responsible for the death of Jesus Christ. This professor was both convicted of his sinfulness and clearly aware that what happened on that spot was something so wonderful he could never deserve it. That's the power of the love of God breaking through our sinful pride to sever the bonds of sin. Convicted sinners feel many things … but they don't ever feel good about themselves. Did I read Earl C. Apel correctly? The whole purpose of Christ's ministry was to help people feel good about themselves? Christ, God Incarnate, both fully God and fully man, came to let himself be nailed to a cross for our sins, providing the blood sacrifice necessary for redemption from sin. Feel good about yourself? The fact that the Son of God died because we are sinners ought to bring us to our knees in humble contrition. This "feel good about yourself Jesus" is a figment of the imaginations of liberal theologians and one that is totally at odds with Christ revealed in the Bible. No wonder one of Mount Auburn's members speaks of the need for "creative theology." In one person, Earl C. Apel epitomizes the tragedy of liberalism generally and Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church more specifically. What has been preached there does not convict sinners so that they can be saved; rather, it confirms them in their sinfulness assuring that they never will come to an understanding of the saving grace made possible by the cross. The fault lies with Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church's pastor emeritus Hal Porter and the former Rev. Steve van Kuiken for calling what is sinful "righteous" and leading their charges into sinfulness. Feel good about this? "And if anyone causes one of the little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell where the fire never goes out. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell where 'the worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'" Mark 9:42-48. Feel good now … the fires of hell await those who do not repent. Earl H. Tilford Jr. Grove City College Grove City, Pa. Baltimore Presbytery trying to keep minister from following God's call June 21, 2004 Thank you for your article entitled, "Evangelical pastor ousted by Presbytery of Baltimore." I would just like to follow up by letting you know that Pastor Jones' problems with the Baltimore Presbytery aren't over. The congregation of First Presbyterian Church of Howard County approved a severance package for Dr. Jones equal to one year's salary. As part of that package, Dr. Jones would agree not to sue the Baltimore Presbytery or First Presbyterian Church or its members and, likewise, First Presbyterian Church and the Baltimore Presbytery would agree not to sue Dr. Jones. We thought that this would be the end of the dispute, but unfortunately it was not. The Baltimore Presbytery has insisted that the severance agreement include a "noncompete clause." This would mean that Dr. Jones could not pastor another church (regardless of that church's affiliation) in the Baltimore area for at least one year. Dr. Jones has refused to agree to this and is walking away from an entire year's salary because he can't in good conscience sign it. God has called Dr. Jones to minister. The Baltimore Presbytery is doing everything they can to keep him from doing that both inside the PCUSA and outside. As a result of this injustice, I'm sorry to say that my husband and I are resigning our membership from First Presbyterian Church of Howard County and the PCUSA. We are not alone in this. We know of at least 55 other family units that are leaving to start a non-denominational church outside the confines of the PCUSA. As many of your recent articles have shown, the PCUSA is hemorrhaging in its membership. This is just another reason why. Marie Stetser Laurel, Md. Baltimore Presbytery insists on punitive measures in pastor's severance package June 21, 2004 As a follow-on to John H. Adams' article of June 1, regarding the ouster of Dr. Richard Jones by the Baltimore Presbytery, from his church, First Presbyterian of Howard County Md.: As a matter of conscience, Dr. Jones reluctantly resigned as an ordained minister of the PCUSA on Thursday, June 17. Although the session and congregation of FPCHC had voted Dr. Jones a modest severance package, Baltimore Presbytery officials confiscated the check that was written for Dr. Jones, insisting that to receive his severance, Dr. Jones had to agree to numerous punitive conditions, such as agreeing that he would not participate in any activity not approved by Baltimore Presbytery; nor serve as a minister within 20 miles of FPCHC. Obviously, he could not agree to conditions such as these, which would prevent him from earning a living at his profession. Rather than fight a legal battle against this persecution, Dr. Jones elected to step gracefully away. I believe it would make an interesting, and enlightening article illustrating the dark nature of Baltimore and other PCUSA presbyteries, if a reporter did some independent research on this incident. By way of disclosure, I am not an objective outside observer, I am a former member of Dr. Jones' church in the Atlanta area, and am a friend of Dr. Jones. My sources are from persons inside FPCHC, and none of my information came directly from Dr. Jones, except the news of his resignation from PCUSA, which he phoned to tell me directly. I think an objective investigation of the facts will reveal the truth of the matter, and the facts of this nasty character and career assassination should be told publicly. Richard O. Speir Jr. Atlanta, Ga. God is most certainly pro-life June 21, 2004 Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not kill?" After reading your "